tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post2188194511550279349..comments2023-08-13T05:40:53.959-06:00Comments on The Mormon Left: Sadly, Your Personal Observations Alone Are Irrelevant to Global WarmingJacob S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-37803574181638191852010-02-04T08:57:18.079-07:002010-02-04T08:57:18.079-07:00No one is disputing the veracity of the stories th...No one is disputing the veracity of the stories themselves, we're disputing the implication that they refute the years of science pointing to man made global climate change.Jacob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-90751086880104729562010-02-03T16:02:06.922-07:002010-02-03T16:02:06.922-07:00That darn Drudge, making up all these stories arou...That darn Drudge, making up all these stories around the world. When will some one stop him from posting stories posted by reputable news outlets?M.Galthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01347902761460218964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-62615735694751039882010-01-21T14:58:56.517-07:002010-01-21T14:58:56.517-07:00I love when global warming proponents refer to the...I love when global warming proponents refer to their "indisputable scientific evidence", as if they can simply cancel out opposing views by saying that they simply don't exist. Then when they are forced to acknowledge that opposing viewpoints do exist, they equate them to "holocaust deniers" and "moon-landing conspiracy theorists". Then when Climategate comes along, they mindlessly take the word of the establishment mass media that there's nothing to get excited about because they don't really say anything important. Stop being so trusting. In a science debate, the loudest voice isn't always correct. I appreciate the good intentions of honest individuals who worry about global warming, but please do your own research of both sides of the argument before you start giving away your rights in the name of being green. "Green" as defined by wall street-backed, corporatist, social-engineering, eugenicist, wealthy elites, whose paid off academics conjure up feel-good causes for the subservient masses to buy into, at the cost of their personal freedoms and worth. Real GREEN is good, but I dont trust corporate GREEN.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07959354823687285278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-27007478032877986952010-01-07T10:08:24.289-07:002010-01-07T10:08:24.289-07:00Jacob you are correct. "Global cooling"...Jacob you are correct. "Global cooling" in the 70s/80s was a minor blip in the scientific community compared to anthropogenic global climate <b>change</b> of today.<br /><br />This can be seen with the tiniest fraction of effort on google.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11401554886594779994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-11538616819129017272010-01-07T09:48:52.588-07:002010-01-07T09:48:52.588-07:00Josh, I would say that there was nowhere near the ...Josh, I would say that there was nowhere near the effort, time, and resources put into global cooling, which was a minor theory for a short amount of time, as there has been in global warming. Also, remember that scientists were studying global warming way back in the 60's and 70's.<br /><br />Andrew, you make a good point about the oceans and also remind me of something else worth thinking about. One of the effects of increased CO2 in the atmosphere is not only atmospheric and oceanic warming, but also increased acidity of the oceans, which is one the causes of coral reef die-offs and other harms. Like I said, I don't think it's too late to take a measured approach to the problem, but I do think now is the time to start acting.Jacob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-78463487303193814932010-01-06T15:57:36.052-07:002010-01-06T15:57:36.052-07:00Y'know, the atmosphere is only a small part of...Y'know, the atmosphere is only a small part of the story when it comes to global climate change. Compared to the oceans, the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket. The oceans act like huge heatsinks, and water temps down thousands of feet have been steadily going up as a result of human-caused warming. Now, whether or not it's cold or hot in the atmosphere generally has much more to do with the dynamics of heat transfer from the oceans -- examples being El Nino or La Nina types of events. If we have a mild El Nino, temps will be cooler (as has been the case over the last decade or so). A strong El Nino, on the other hand, will raise temps rather drastically. Again, though, the real action is in the oceans, and they're storing massive amounts of excess energy.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09755808950832071517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-21834746101642767292010-01-06T13:05:43.699-07:002010-01-06T13:05:43.699-07:00The CRU emails did nothing to disprove anthropogen...The CRU emails did nothing to disprove anthropogenic global climate change.<br /><br />http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11401554886594779994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-47928415602340225222010-01-05T22:29:07.373-07:002010-01-05T22:29:07.373-07:00"Scientists have spent years studying global ..."Scientists have spent years studying global warming."<br /><br />The same scientists that studied global cooling in the 70's and 80's? It's all about money. Read State of Fear, a novel by Micheal Chrichton. It's fiction, but it seems like the climate change crowd is following the novel exactly.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17266150313741808907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-48564398898864744032010-01-05T22:06:24.853-07:002010-01-05T22:06:24.853-07:00You must be from Utah County. Which is not in its...You must be from Utah County. Which is not in itself bad, but you should know that there is a whole world out there which contains all sorts of people like Mormon liberals or New England conservatives. Stereotypes and generalizations are dangerous things.<br /><br />Now, no one has ever disputed that the Earth naturally goes through climate changes, so this is a classic strawman argument. But what we are seeing now is the compression of what naturally takes thousands of years to occur into mere decades. And there is indisputable scientific evidence that man-made factors are playing a significant role. What that means is that plants and animals that in the past had ample time to adjust and evolve simply can't keep up and are dying off at an accelerated pace. Not only that, but we are not allowing ourselves time to adjust to this new climate that we have created (or monumentally accelerated).<br /><br />Similarly, we are not trying to stop nature, that would be arrogant. What we are trying to do is minimize our own deleterious effects on natural processes which, if left unchecked, will likely spiral out of control.<br /><br />All of this is grounded in solid scientific research, peer reviewed the world over, tested over and over. Which leads me to a more broad issue: why is there is a significant bloc of conservative voters and thinkers that are so adverse to science? Where does this aversion come from? I'm not sure I understand where this is coming from.Jacob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-45219668886247480632010-01-05T19:48:04.375-07:002010-01-05T19:48:04.375-07:00Liberal Mormons, I didn't think they existed a...Liberal Mormons, I didn't think they existed and I've lived in Utah for almost 20 years now. I guess you do learn something new everyday.<br /><br />Now hear this- the earth has been warming and cooling in various degrees since the planet formed. It may also have something to do with the earth not being at a static distance from the sun. That distance also varies. <br /><br />Is man contributing to what some consider to be the latest round of warming? Who knows, after all the glaciers started receding before the industrial revolution of the late 1800's.<br /><br />Believe what you want, but the Deity in Washington and the collective idiots in Copenhagen are not going to be able to save us from what occurs naturally.Frank Fisherhttp://aconservativesview.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-51193577138886117912010-01-05T10:46:17.646-07:002010-01-05T10:46:17.646-07:00Scientists have spent years studying global warmin...Scientists have spent years studying global warming. The scientists come from dozens of nations and every conceivable background, and have spent thousands and thousands of man-hours on this issue. As bad as those leaked emails may have seemed, they represent only the tiniest sliver of the resources that have been poured into global warming research. I was as upset as anyone about them, but they shouldn't color our entire view of the issue.Jacob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-66528170724028847792010-01-04T17:51:17.501-07:002010-01-04T17:51:17.501-07:00Let me say that I agree that we should do as much ...Let me say that I agree that we should do as much as we possibly can to take care of our earth, our space, and our environment. You've made some good points. <br /><br />However, in light of "climategate" I find it nearly impossible to know who is telling the truth. When groups of scientists cannot come to an agreement, we have a limited amount of knowledge on which to rely. Once the information we rely upon to make an informed decision is discredited or found to be based on less than honest models, etc., it becomes almost impossible for us to do more than simply have an opinion and do what we can individually to further our own beliefs.Mollyhttp://kudzumollymormon.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-8148479896843930212010-01-04T17:05:15.027-07:002010-01-04T17:05:15.027-07:00I have a friend that believes Drudge because of th...I have a friend that believes Drudge because of that bullcrap "Oh, it was snippity cold in my back yard yesterday!" <br /><br />*rolls eyes*<br /><br />Can someone roll those back? (har har)<br /><br />And as for recycling, &c we can't necessarily impose these things on a national scale but we can do them locally and encourage those around us to do the same.<br /><br />Moreover, whether you believe in global warming or not, you have to agree that what we're doing to the Earth right now is not "dressing" or "keeping" the planet with which we've been made stewards.Daniel H.noreply@blogger.com