tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post1993426536240894089..comments2023-08-13T05:40:53.959-06:00Comments on The Mormon Left: Can Lightning Strike Twice?Jacob S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-47397267813143861062009-02-25T06:06:00.000-07:002009-02-25T06:06:00.000-07:00'As far as R Mormon's being dismissed for national...'As far as R Mormon's being dismissed for national party leadership because of people like Buttars, I don't think so. One, there isn't a whole lotta strong Rep Mormon leadership thats worth anything, and two, they'd be carrying around the Utah tag. Politically, Utah's pretty limp.'<BR/><BR/>I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. Comments like Buttar's are par for the course with national Republicans and it sounds to me like he's singing their song. I feel like Utah Republicans say stuff like this partly in an attempt to ingratiate themselves with the national party. And my point is it's not worth it -- the national Republican party and leadership do not have the best interests of Mormon Republicans in mind.<BR/><BR/>I think Utah's "limpness" politically is due in part to the Republican leadership taking Utah's Republican-leaning nature for granted. In other words, despite being in the pocket for Republicans for years, what has Utah (or, more specifically, Utah Republicans) gotten out of the deal? If Republicans in Utah stopped marching in lockstep so often with the national party and, instead, forced the party to stop taking their support for granted, then perhaps they could strengthen their political hand.<BR/><BR/>I still probably wouldn't vote for them, but it just amazes me that both Utah Republican politicians and voters don't seem to get that they're being dealt a losing hand. The same thing is true of Mormon Republicans everywhere; I just use Mormon Republicans in Utah as an example because they have, relatively speaking, a fair amount of political power.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09755808950832071517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-15893757628063060392009-02-24T21:56:00.000-07:002009-02-24T21:56:00.000-07:00Iliana, I get what you are saying and trust me, we...Iliana, I get what you are saying and trust me, we've got a lot of non-Buttars content coming. But this Buttars thing has has captured Utah's attention and a lot of people are interested in it. If it was just Buttars running his big mouth it'd be one thing, but the open support for his actions by the legislature as a whole is what is fascinating to me. I think it says a lot about the Utah Republican Party. And I won't lie, I get a fair amount of pleasure sticking it to the Utah legislature once in a while. Thanks for reading.Jacob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-71703482764605800702009-02-24T20:12:00.000-07:002009-02-24T20:12:00.000-07:00FYI I'm not saying discussing Buttars' remarks is ...FYI I'm not saying discussing Buttars' remarks is unimportant, just not super important in my book. He did nothing illegal, so let his consituancy do their bidding. There are morons everywhere, in every state, in every legislature. I don't let one person's remarks cloud my opinions of everyone else who is somehow labeled the same as he/she. I think Palosi is a huge idoit but I wouldn't presume that every other democrat thinks exactly the same as she, that every Catholic is fine with abortion, or that any Californian shares her same platform. As far as R Mormon's being dismissed for national party leadership because of people like Buttars, I don't think so. One, there isn't a whole lotta strong Rep Mormon leadership thats worth anything, and two, they'd be carrying around the Utah tag. Politically, Utah's pretty limp. Kinda like the Jazz; who gives a crud about them except those living here. Go ahead, keep discussing Buttars, I don't care. I was just letting Jake know I'm interested in what he has to say about other issues too.Ilianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07729456460349797315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-57373801153979138232009-02-24T16:38:00.000-07:002009-02-24T16:38:00.000-07:00Well, I'll stand up for why things like this are i...Well, I'll stand up for why things like this are important -- do Republican Mormons want any say in the national party? <BR/><BR/>I'm not a Republican (or a Democrat, but I've voted for Democrats mostly in the last few elections), but for the sake of the Republican party and Mormons in it there needs to be some sanity. Guys like Buttars demonstrate to the world that Republican Mormons are morons. They align Republican Mormons with their cruder Republican brethren from the South who, not coincidentally, played an important role in killing Mitt's chances at being President.<BR/><BR/>And herein lies the important dynamic -- the national Republican party loves the Mormon vote, but doesn't want Mormons in leadership. Could any of the LDS Republican members of the House or Senate ever credibly vie for leadership within the national party? And yet they are acting like singing in the choir will get them appointed as choir director.<BR/><BR/>Huntsman seems to get this; the national Republican party hasn't done their Mormon supporters any favors other than providing fuzzy feelings by kinda sorta aligning on key issues and throwing a largely symbolic bone here and there. Half the national Republican leadership are probably tied to the publishing houses that still churn out anti-Mormon literature quicker than the Zimbabwe government prints new money. They are not your friends, and when people like Buttars act that way the only thing they get is irrelevance. For the dignity's sake Utah Republicans should show some backbone and answer to their better lights.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09755808950832071517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-17004593958428173202009-02-24T13:53:00.000-07:002009-02-24T13:53:00.000-07:00Really, are you gonna devote this blog to Buttars?...Really, are you gonna devote this blog to Buttars? A man of little consequence who IN PRIVATE mind you says idiotic things. I agree with his consequences. I think they are fitting and for the right reasons. Hopefully his constituents will vote differently at reelection. Maybe they wont. For pete's sakes the adultering Pres. Clinton who LIED PUBLICLY remained the pres of the whole USA. Let Buttars alone to his sad life. There are bigger issues at hand. Buttars isn't the only one who shot down CGI. Move on... I'd like to hear something different from you lovely democratic mormons.Ilianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07729456460349797315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-749789029915695563.post-54158540647575608632009-02-24T11:24:00.000-07:002009-02-24T11:24:00.000-07:00Nicely put, SO. The freedom of speech does not gi...Nicely put, SO. The freedom of speech does not give you freedom from the consequences of your speech. No one is saying that Buttars doesn't have a right to say inflammatory things on a regular basis, we are saying that this is not the conduct we expect or want from our elected officials and the consequence should be that he resigns.Jacob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16519032754947817876noreply@blogger.com